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Here is the Pappenheim Standard in 1633, from the Stockholm Armémuseum, and below, the Arms of Pappenheim. Size : 83 x 62 cm. The legend of the Armémuseum tell us that it is a cavalry flag from someone of the Pappenheim family and it was taken in the Pappenheim castle, perhaps on june, 13th of 1633.
Voici l'étendard du régiment de Pappenheim en 1633, conservé au musée de l'armée de Stockholm ainsi que, ci-dessous, le blason du comte. Sa taille est de 83 x 62cm. La légende du musée de l'armée nous dit qu'il s'agit d'un étendard d'un membre de la famille Pappenheim, peut-être pris au château de Pappenheim le 13 juin 1633.
I have change the obverse of the flag and the words are a bit more readable. Perhaps something like that :
PAR?ARME VERTUS ETAIS
JE FIERAY MES JOURS
And, thanks for Motorway, the german text would be something like that :
MIT FREUDEN STATT
MIT SH?? DARVON
Very interesting indeed, as black colours were very rare. Any idea about the text on the banner?
RépondreSupprimerNo, i will have to find somebody who read german !
RépondreSupprimer'Mit Freuden statt mit S... darvon' (Unfortunatly I can't read the fifth word.)
RépondreSupprimer'With pleasure in stead of ...on the go'
Thank you ! Here is the other side of the standard.
RépondreSupprimerCould be Latin or even French as I read the words 'arme', 'je' and 'mes'. Perhaps a good idea to ask for a pic of a better resolution?
RépondreSupprimerYou are right, it seems to be in french but difficult to read:
RépondreSupprimer?A?? ARME VERTUS ETAIS
JE FIEIRAY MES JOURS
(from "fier ses jours" : i would tust my life to)
I would be something like: trust your life in the arms of the Pappenheim family...
The motto reads : "Mit Freude dran, mit Glück darvon", which loosely translates as "Get merrily stuck in and come out alive with luck". It was Papenheim's own motto and appeared on most of his standards.
RépondreSupprimerIl s'agit de la devise de Papenheim, qui apparaissait presque toujours sur son héraldique.
Hi, I ask my friend from Armemuseum Stockholm and here you can find better pictures:
RépondreSupprimerhttp://raia.snaga.cz/history/30tka/flags/Pappenheim1.jpg
http://raia.snaga.cz/history/30tka/flags/Pappenheim2.jpg
and same pictures but with converted colors to better contrast
http://raia.snaga.cz/history/30tka/flags/Pappenheim1.png
http://raia.snaga.cz/history/30tka/flags/Pappenheim2.png
What is the image on the reverse (French) side of the flag?
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